12th House in our synastry

[Sarah5038]

Hello everyone, I shared with you the synastry between me and my partner, now friend, I still have so many doubts about it, in addition to our axis Vertex/ Antivertex, which we combined, we also have a double shot of lights in our twelfth houses. She is her Sun in my 12th house and I am my Moon, and my Pluto in his 12th house. I believe it is my twin flame.. I don’t have a New Age idea, but I am more and more convinced. I could even say Yin/Yang. Is it possible?

[admin]

Hi Sarah5038,

Whether she is your "twin flame" or not, I don't know. But going through all the previous posts you've made, I decided to set up your Composite chart to see what that tells us.

Here the Vertex is very close to the Comp. Asc. which - it is said - signifies a "destined" relationship...and this, regardless of whether it is positive or negative.

I won't go through the whole of it but instead note specifically that transiting Pluto is conjunct Comp. Neptune, which in turn is conjunct the 4th House cusp. This is a powerful signification of "fate" with regard to your coming together. Then, note that transiting Neptune in Aries (and now, Saturn too) is in sextile to this conjunction, and you have a very powerful combination of outer planets triggering the very roots of the relationship.

Given that Neptune rules the Comp. 6th, and Pluto rules and is in the Comp. 2nd, I suspect that this relationship may be about working out (6th) what is the value (2nd) of the relationship...i.e. what you together value in this relationship. And given that Chiron (The Wounded Healer) is conjunct the Moon in the 2nd, I'd suggest that perhaps there is something here that needs to be healed from your individual pasts.

Perhaps it is particularly your partner who needs this reassurance as she has Saturn-ruled Cap. on her Natal 2nd with Neptune, and South Node conjunct Uranus therein, whereas you have Venus, Sun/Mercury in your Natal 2nd.

Given that the South Node is in the Comp. 4th too, it might be that some similar experience from your pasts needs to be worked through together so that you can both move forward to that North Node in the 10th. In other words, both of you using what's gained and learned from this relationship 'privately', to move out into the world with more confidence. Or, this could simply signify that the fruits of this relationship can benefit society/friends and groups, in some way. Perhaps this is that when together, you may be able to bring joy to others, especially as the Comp. Nodes are in sextile to the Comp. Asc. and trine the Comp. Desc.

Furthermore, Comp. Chiron/Moon are in trine to the 10th suggesting that a healing can occur within the relationship of your individual hurts when you use these together to help others...to bring "a bit of sunshine" into their lives.

It's worth watching transits to this chart as Composites seem to be particularly sensitive to such.

Hope something here is of help.
Best,
Admin.

[Sarah5038]

Good morning, thank you very much for the answer, I do not know how to see transits in the synastry because Astro.com does not let me select it. I know that in our Composite everything is plutonized, and it feels very strong...
However, my question focused more on a Karmic discourse, of our Luminaries sitting on our twelfth houses, I know that it is a strong double blow that is not often seen, and our Vertex and Antivertex conjunct. I don’t use whole signs.

[admin]

Hi Sarah,

This is your Composite chart:

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Best,
Admin.

[Never_give_up]

Hello everyone, I shared with you the synastry between me and my partner, now friend, I still have so many doubts about it, in addition to our axis Vertex/ Antivertex, which we combined, we also have a double shot of lights in our twelfth houses. She is her Sun in my 12th house and I am my Moon, and my Pluto in his 12th house. I believe it is my twin flame.. I don’t have a New Age idea, but I am more and more convinced. I could even say Yin/Yang. Is it possible?

Hello Sarah,

to analyze a synastry it is always good to also look at both natal charts with transits - to see the individual needs relationship-wise of both partners.

To have the feeling or the deep faith and belief, to have a karmic soulmate, you already know from another life before, a bond even lasting beyond death (8th house)- a person, you expect to /will once meet in your life and will immediately re-recognize from their energy and radiance - is shown in a natal chart by ruler of 8th house in 4th house as the house of the soul.

To have made an agreement with another person, already before this life and birth, to meet a person from a previous life again in this life, for a certain purpose and reason (which must not always mean a love relationship) is 12th house as the prenatal house before birth, and ruler of 12th house in 4th house.

And that is what you have in your own natal chart - moon rules your 12th house in cancer and is in your 4th house under rulership of pluto - in spiritual faith and belief sign of sag. And your moon is part of a Grand Yod - called "the finger of God" combined with your sun/mercury conj. in 2nd and with saturn in taurus in spiritual 9th house at apex.

Which same time could mean that this is also a karmic partner, you will have to work on something which has been left open unsettled. As Saturn ruling 6th house in opposite to 12th house -squares your neptune as 8th house ruler in 6th house, work - to work on something.

Showing a difficult karmic love relationship (lasting even beyond death /8th house)- with jupiter ruling 5th house, love and romance, in 8th house opposing your natal venus as your 10th house, life path ruler.



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[Never_give_up]

In the chart of your partner it is different. In her chart her partner attracting energy is gemini, ruled by mercury in 7th house. Long term, committed relationships and karmic relationships and karmic bonds, lasting beyond death =8th house - is in cancer, ruled by moon, placed with mercury, her fated northnode, sun in leo - all added with intense pluto energy in 8th house..

12th house is in scorpio with a strong placed pluto in scorpio in 12th, in own sign and own ruled house - with chiron in scorpio and lilith conj. pluto. Lilith as the dark side of moon, representing the darkest hours and sadest, desperate moments, able to get afterwards stored in subconscious, postponed for a better time to come, for a transformation and healing..

Sun in 8th house (also death and near to death experiences, shocks and trauma and as life threatening experienced events) squares scorpio chiron in prenatal house 12th at point of her birth. Could be a birth trauma - during pregnancy of her mother with her, she as a little fetus in mother's womb experienced or witnessed as dangerous or as life threatening.

4th house, house of soul is in aries, ruled by mars. No planet in 4th house.

Moon ruling 8th house and mars ruling 4th house, both in scorpio, sitting short before 12th house cusp. both opposing saturn in her 5th house, vitality, love and romance - saturn ruling her 2nd house, body house of physical existence in this life, self-worth/self-esteem, self protection, safety and setting boundaries. Difficulties to express love and to feel loved and to feel worth it.

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[Never_give_up]

Hello everyone, I shared with you the synastry between me and my partner, now friend, I still have so many doubts about it. She is her Sun in my 12th house and I am my Moon, and my Pluto in his 12th house. I believe it is my twin flame.. I don’t have a New Age idea, but I am more and more convinced. I could even say Yin/Yang. Is it possible?

both synastries in picture ....I will come back to, if is still interesting for you and you are around here, again ....

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[Never_give_up]

For you, Sarah - this synastry has a spiritual learning signature, to develop your own spirituality more - her 9th house cusp /3rd house cusp nearly degree exact overlays your AC/DC birth axis with her 3rd house falling in your 7th house as your partner attracting energy....probably endless disussions ..(?)

For her the energy signature is more about to emotionally find her place in the world and for her lifepath, to feel socially integrated and to play a role in public, to give a personal contribution to society, to feel her own life as senseful (moon/Mars in public 11th house) and to have a person around with care taking loving energies like a mother, she has missed in her life.

Your IC /4th house cusp (house of soul and emotions) fall on her moon/mars conj. in 11th house, surrounds her 12th cusps upto the middle of her 1st house, followed by your 5th house cusp (to express love, love and romance), also falling in her 1st house, as her personal enforcement energy to go for her goals and wishes. Your MC cusp falling in her 5th house, looking for a love partner, and a partner, joining your lifepath - but she is not prepared for.

[Never_give_up]

You have as partner attracting energy, to a person of interest, you want to begin a relationship with, in fix air sign aqua ruled by uranus. Your long term relationship potential is in 8th house in pisces, ruled by neptune.

Both rulers of 7th and 8th house are in your 6th house/ work invisible below horizon and DC cusp, one in cap and one in aqua - both under rulership/ decision and under the saying of your natal saturn, with saturn in spiritual 9th house, at apex of a Grand Yod. A subtile working energy, not easy to grasp, to get it managed, to get 3 different energy qualities (air, fire, earth) under one roof.

To even recognize a person as attractive, it is necessary that one of the other person's planets in their chart touches your natal uranus and your neptune with a tight aspect.
And that is her pluto/lilith conj (as her probable birth trauma) in sag, falling in your 4th house, emotions and house of soul and sextiling your uranus. And her venus falling short below your AC in your 1st house, inconjuncting your neptune. And her aqua neptune falling in your 6th house, squaring your taurus saturn in 9th house at apex of your Grand Yod. And same time, the partner is also able to trigger own weaknesses, well known habits and behaviour patterns- for a change.

With both relationship house rulers in your 6th house, to work on something - you have a tendency to not feel yourself good enough, feel a need to always improve yourself for being better, have high standards of perfection to fulfilled by yourself, to submit yourself more the the wishes, a partner has. To put the partner at first place and yourself at last place. So that a partner after a while can lose interest, becaus of missing the uranian energy person, the partner originally felt attracted to in the beginning.

[Never_give_up]

12th house is in scorpio with a strong placed pluto in scorpio in 12th, in own sign and own ruled house

Sorry - this should be
"12th house in scorpio with a strong place pluto in own ruled house, but in sag."